Girl Gamer

GameCrush: The Wrong Way to Get a Girl

By Joylia 4 years ago • 29 Comments

On March 22, 2010, IGN put out an article about a new site that is launching March 23rd that I am sure they thought was a cute little way to promote girls who game. In my humble opinion, though, I think the site is a bunch of bulls**t and encourages the way of thinking that serious gamers (who just happen to be female) have fought against for years! Pay to game with an “attractive” girl. How demeaning is that to any girl who is a gamer?

And I quote:

“If you’re an avid online gamer chances are you sign onto, say, Xbox Live most nights and jump into a game of Modern Warfare or Gears of War with either your friends or some random players. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say the majority of gamers you encounter are dudes, and probably immature dudes at that. What if you could pay a bit of cash to play Modern Warfare with an attractive girl? Or maybe relax with a casual game of checkers while you video chat with said female? A new social service launching tomorrow, March 23, called GameCrush (www.GameCrush.com) is hoping there are gamers out there willing to pay for the opportunity to play with girls.” (Daemon Hatfield, IGN)

O Rly?!

You want to create a dating site for people with a passion for games? Okay, fine, go for it. But don’t promote a site that feeds into the myth that female gamers are an exotic breed that exist somewhere in Never Never Land. And seriously! What the hell do they know about gamers? Guys, you are going to pay for about 6-10 minutes of game time with a chic thinking that you are going to get some quality smoochy talk, but if you actually knew about female gamers, you would realize that they are gamers period. If they are looking to play Halo with someone, they want to play Halo. Not talk about their favorite foods or what their idea of a perfect date would be.

“After a session you can rate your PlayDate on her hotness, gaming skill, and flirtiness. The highest-rated girls will receive preferred placement on the site. GameCrush is assembling a team of its most highly regarded PlayDates called JaneCrush, which should be similar to Ubisoft’s Fragdolls. Members of JaneCrush will generate content for the site like blogs and editorials. GameCrush wants to turn its most popular girls into gaming stars.” (Daemon Hatfield, IGN)

So, what this is saying to me is that in order to be a “gaming star” and a female writer and contributor to this site, you have to be deemed “hot” and a tease…basically a slut. Of course, they added a third category of “gaming skill” but let’s be real here. How much of that is actually going to matter? Think my opinion is a bit harsh?

“On GameCrush, guys are Players and girls are PlayDates. Players pay to play and PlayDates get paid to play.” (IGN)

How about now?

As you can tell, this site really rubs me the wrong way because their message to the gaming community is one that has plagued the female gamer since gaming began.

It really upsets me because many people have commented in the past on various sites in regards to “girl gamers” that girls are gamers and that the “segregation” and “issues” about being a female gamer do not exist. Here is a site that proves that the “wrong” mentality about female gamers not only exists, but is still going strong.

“PlayDates keep 60 percent of the cash they bring in. To find its girls, GameCrush posted a Craigslist ad looking for ladies who want to get paid to play videogames.”

Yes, guys, go visit a site that is paying girls to game who probably will pretend to game because they are in need of cash or who are actual gamers demeaning themselves by taking on the role of an escort. Brilliant.

But if you decide you want to actually date someone or just find a friend who is a girl that games, there are much “cheaper” ways (like free) and better ways to do this. If you are reading this article, well, congratulations! You’ve found it.

Now this has been based off of IGN’s review of the site. We are always open to hearing the other side of the argument, which is why GirlGamer has set up an interview with GameCrush to get their take and explanation for what the site is and why they chose to do as they did.

Will it be good enough to appease us? Well, we’ll just have to see…..

Tags

GG-Joylia, GameCrush, Girl Gamers, IGN, IMHO

MyaSharona

4 years ago

Oh my. I can't wait to hear what they have to say.
In all honesty - i can project the rebuttal already. :eyeroll:

MyaSharona

4 years ago

By the way i TOTALLY sit in a silver bikini when I play Gears. Don't you?

Ammy

4 years ago

This is an insult to females who love video games everywhere. Sure, ANY of us on here could be one of these girls. But...we are REAL gamers, who take passion in an epic story and unforgettable characters. We are not X-Box-itutes. :)

Joylia

4 years ago

OMG Ammy, I love that! "We are not X-Box-itutes." Bloody Brilliant!

Ryoku

4 years ago

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Haylzorz

4 years ago

I agree with this article (well written by the way!) 100%. It is so friggin' degrading. A gamer escort? It's sad on both accounts; whether you're a girl who's hiring herself out or you're a guy willing to pay.

They'll be rated on their hotness, flirtiness and game skill? Omg that infuriated me. I could say a lot more but I'm restraining myself. It was all well put and expressed in this article. Seriously just can't believe it :x

Charny

4 years ago

Ok maybe this might seem like a bit of a strong view but thats kind of like prostitution right? Paying for pleasure? I'm pretty darn angry right now.

Astral_Wolf

4 years ago

Things like this really burns me up...
I am soo grateful that we are a part of a greater community with honest, respectable, REAL gamers...male or female.

Lexymon

4 years ago

Ignoring the glaringly obvious offensiveness of this whole thing, here's an issue I have. If you're concentrating on being sexy and alluring you can't really game properly, and if you're concentrating on the game... I can't speak for everyone but I know I'm not at my hottest mid Left4Dead! So in other words, it seems to me like the "players" will be left... dissatisfied (harhar) both ways.

FRAG

4 years ago

Another thing that is annoying me is the 'Physical State' section on the profile screenshot, if this is 'really' about 'gaming' then why would you need to know about what colour eyes a girl has!?? Well done creators, this is probably one of the worst ideas ever... the idea of making guys pay to get access to these women is so demoralizing, whats next? Watch a girl play COD on webcam? If a guy is really that desperate to talk to a girl he should hold his dignity, turn off the console, go outside and meet a genuine girl.

Ancalime

4 years ago

I've been thinking about this since I first heard about it, and while it's ridiculously offensive as-is, I realized that I'd be much more okay with it if, say, the "PlayDates" could rate the "Players" on the same attributes.

But no...that would require reciprocity, and girl gamers aren't equal to "real" gamers. :P

Crazyness915

4 years ago

Wow...that is all i can muster right now... This blows (-p-_-)-p

AbbyEqualsLove

4 years ago

I think it's hilarious. Hell...if i could get paid to game with people i so would lol.

mandisaur

4 years ago

Seriously, WTF?! :/

the FEMB0T

4 years ago

what a load of horseshit. a playdate? ...i agree with this entire article as well as the comments. i've really got nothing more to add except to say that i'm disgusted.

drakus

4 years ago

That site is ridiculous, any guy that actually pays a girl to play video games with them needs to turn off his system and go out for a change. Hell what does how you look matter when playing a game? Did this site just pick up some prostitutes and show them the basics of gaming or something? I really think i better stop now...

Xane

4 years ago

@MyaSharona: I prefer lingerie, but to each their own
@Ammy: Love the phrase "X-box-itites." Hialrious.

This company is feeding upon the loneliness of guy gamers everywhere. I can't imagine how sad it would be for a guy to actually consider this as an option to meet a girl.
To be honest, IGN has a good idea, (the idea of having gamers meet girl gamers) and a desperate market, but they are going about it completely the wrong way. It's an awkwardly set up dating site, except that it's more similar to prostitution than dating. I.E. The girl can't choose who she plays with, the guy's are the only ones to give feedback, they are paid to play with strange men. (I mean, doesn't that just sounds so wrong?)
But I can see what IGN wants to do. They want to make money off the attractiveness of female gamers. And I honestly have no solution for this, because I would recommend having LAN parties, where the girls play free or something, but then they wouldn't be able to measure "hotness", and then guy gamers would be scared and awkward. The beauty of it being over Xbox is that the girl doesn't see the guy, so he won't get that nervous.

I have more to say, but I feel like my comment is already too long. :P

Eibhilin

4 years ago

I think for me the most appalling part in all of this, "The GameCrush Public Beta is temporarily unavailable due to the incredible user response (more than 10,000 inquiries in five minutes). We are adding new servers to provide players with the best PlayDate experience possible. Games with GameCrush PlayDates start at $6.60 for ten minutes."

How much?! Man, I feel like I've been getting ripped off playing online all those years. Who would have thought for the incredibly low price of my dignity I could have been bringing in nearly $40/hour? ...how is this not supposed to set us back ten years in acceptance and respect among the guys we game with? At the same time, if PlayDates keep 60% of the profits at $6.60/10 min? Really looking forward to the follow up.

*Red*Bunny*

4 years ago

If it’s not for you it’s not for you but what is the big deal if men want to pay to play with a gamer girl? As far as I can tell the girls that sign up aren’t required to be sexual, they only do what they want so what are you girls complaining about?
You all are just as bad as the gamer guys judgment you’re so afraid of perpetuating- if you don’t like it don’t sign up but don’t judge every guy that would be willing to pay as a loser and every girl that signs up as a slut. You girls are so good at judging people and women b/c of the choices they make, yet are so pissed off because we are being judged. Get over it! I enjoy the male attention when I get on Xbox almost as much as I enjoy gaming!! And maybe it’s difficult for some of you but I can game and flirt at the same time… it’s not that hard. I do it anyway for fun so why not get paid to do it??
As for male gamer respect, or male respect in general, it’s something you hafta demand regardless of the choices you make and it’s something that even the best “good girl” isn’t always going to receive. Is it really that important? Is your life not quite as good because some loser dudes on Xbox lump you into this stereotypical category they have of gamer girls? If that is the case then it doesn’t matter how much respect you feel men have for women you’re screwed and messed anyway if your confidence and self-respect and dignity is dependent on what males, or other people in general think.
Also, stop playing the victim!! Girls are bashed just as much as the guys bash each other on those games. Hit mute, don’t try and force your self-righteousness onto others because you think men are judging you because you’re a female gamer. Like really. Take a chill pill ladies!!

gcshira

4 years ago

The article was great. I can't wait to read the interview. Here's my input ever since I started to play FPS's I would either get shot at by my own teammates or get hit on my guys when obviously I'm trying to rack up some points and pwn some noobs. I've played with my guy friends and I think I earned respect as a girl gamer that's why my game name has always been GCShira (Gamer Chic Shira). This site is very disrespectful to me and I agree with @Ammy we are not "X-Box-itutes."

poisonous_ivy

4 years ago

okay i only have one thing to say to that: it is not the whole self pitya part that keeps gaming girls and women complaining about bein bashed by sexist guy gamers, It simply is a FACT that gaming is considered a male domain and it is a FACT that this wolrd (in every aspect) is NOT free of sexism, as well as racism or any other kind of discrimination!
So why do we keep being offended by this kind of articles? I personally am totally fine with guys paying girls to game with them, and girls taking money, eventhou it's not what I would do. But I'm NOT okay with the way, T think, this Idea came up, and what impression it gives the still very large group of (not only) men who disrespect or seriously offend female gamers about us. WE don't wanna fight this game date company, we wanna be respected as a part of the community of gaming, as well as female soccer players had to fight for their acceptance or for african americans who still struglle in the fight equality, just to make some examples from totally different parts of live. And You might think that accepting female gamers not as an abnormality but as something equal to male gamers has nothing to do with "real" problems like racism or sexism in general, but it is just as well a problem we are trying to solve. It is our hobbie, and for many of us a big part of our personality and therefor our lives.
And by the way, if someone wants to get all upset about this game date thing, it is, just as yours *Red*Bunny* , an opinion. Go on an do what you want to, nobody said what you think about us is wrong. Just let us have our own opinion.

Lexymon

4 years ago

@RedBunny "As far as I can tell the girls that sign up aren’t required to be sexual, they only do what they want so what are you girls complaining about? .........
but don’t judge every guy that would be willing to pay as a loser and every girl that signs up as a slut."
I think you got the wrong end of the stick. Slut and Prostitute are two different things, prostitutes get paid for services rendered. Like, oh, say for example talking dirty and getting boobs out for some lonely dude getting his rocks off playing Halo.

And of course they wont be "required" to get down and dirty but do you really think the guys subscribing to this site will be recommending the ladies happily gaming away fully clothed? If you do I'm happy for you, it's a lovely world you live in.
Oh and if you don't think gaming is a male driven and biased world, next time you're playing your favourite game count how many female developers were involved in making it. I don't think most people care about the general xbl banter, it's being classed as a second class citizen that tends to rile people in my experience.

jesskit

4 years ago

@Xane - i totally agree with the LAN parties, here in adelaide we have a group who often gives girl gamers either half price or free entry, its a lil odd i thought when i first saw it but well it works, tho honestly i would pay the full price cause i want to be there anyway.

On this article, i think its funny that they are advertising it as a "date" umm from what i could tell it hardly is, i mean well words failing it just so rediculous

FRAG

4 years ago

"As far as I can tell the girls that sign up aren’t required to be sexual"

I wish this was true but if you look closely on the screenshots of the website it actually has attributes like hotness, flirtiness, dirtiness (which guys will rate them on) physical stats, turn ons, turn offs and very revealing pictures. Since the girls are getting paid I guess its sadly part of the job.

*Red*Bunny*

4 years ago

@Lexymon
First off, The fact of the matter is that there are generally more male gamers than female, and probably true about developers, do you know any women that want to be game developers and have had trouble getting a job? So if my favorite game was made by mostly if not all male game developers it doesn't really surprise me. Times have changed and there are more women gamers than there has been in the past but the truth remains that it is male dominated because more men play than women, you cannot argue against that, at least on xbox anyway.
As for women being classed as second class citizens, that is not true. We have all the rights that males have. I'm not saying that everyone in the world always treats women equally (and most people in the world do not treat everyone equally), but we can say that people have an obligation to. Women were treated badly in the past, especially because we didn't have any basic human rights that men have. Now we do and have for a while now, the world doesn't have an excuse to treat women badly, atleast not in most countries, just as it doesn't have a right to treat any person badly for any reason.
Yes, people use gender as a reason to do and say bad things to women, just as they use ethnicity as a reason to hold it against someone, or religion. This is life, not everyone is nice and if you think everyone will be all the time you will be in for a rude awakening. Its not right but it happens and you have the power to do something about it, women are definitely not rated as second class citizens anymore. My whole point though is that discrimination is a result of a deeper problem, someone who resorts to belittling and discrimination for any reason has something wrong with the way they view the world and the way they deal with life. Women have to stop saying that because we are women we are being held back in this world, as if we still have this fight that is a sole result of being female. No, people are stupid, thats it. Everyone has to fight against being judged wrongly. I also think that thinking about abuse and hatred towards women as a result of the fact that they are women is contributing to what you feel is a female problem. If we can't even refer to abuse as abuse, regardless of gender, it is in a way perpetuating the seperation of male and female, when we should be looked at equally, regardless of our gender if someone hurts anyone in any way it is wrong and all wrong for the same reasons. Its so hypocritical to talk about the women and the men who might go to this site and use it, when you claim to be so against being judged for being female and doing what you enjoy. You should hate the player don’t hate the game, and it seems to be a general consensus to hate the game on the comments to this article. As for this being prostitution, technically I don’t believe it is, because the purpose of this site isn’t to provide sexual services for money. It may be used in this way, but that doesn’t mean that it is meant for that, and besides there are already sites like this where a person doesn’t have to go onto a gamer site to see a girl on webcam and have her get naked or do whatever. It seems like it might be more work for men looking for just that, since some girls won't want to get naked as they will be there to game. Whether the site is successful or not will depend on how many men are actually willing to pay to just get to know a girl and play a few games, but that doesn't mean it has this evil purpose even if evil people have an intention to use it in an evil way.
Nevermind the fact that if it is true gamer girls going onto this site, then its never going to take away from the fact that they enjoy games, and if they just so happen to enjoy being flirty/sexual at the same time then what is wrong with that? Its safe, it’s a way for men and women to get what they want without having to worry about personal safety. If your worried about people viewing you as a slut because there is a general belief that women are this way because of the things they do, then maybe if you just don’t act like one you probably won’t be lumped into that category. Someone that knows you but still persecutes you as one, well that is there problem and a general problem with the world, but its not a female or anyones responsibility to change there point of view. Are we going to tell our little girls they can’t wear dresses because men will think they should be treated like crap or are slutty? No, and for the same reason we can’t tell women to not be sexual because men are going to think about us the wrong way, I’m sorry, if a man can’t see that a female is a person first, then that is his problem and it isn’t the responsibility of the female to fix it or make sure it doesn’t happen, unless it is a actual problem than she has the power to do something about it.I also don’t believe there is anything wrong with women making money off of men, even if they are providing sexual services. What is wrong with prostitution besides it being illegal? It’s because of the risk of std infections, because of how dangerous it is for women and the reason its so dangerous is because its not regulated. If it was legal and regulated, then we wouldn’t have as many as the problems as we do now.
For the record, I don’t think that all guys are going to be interested in simply gaming, and that they may want to have dirty conversations or webcam sessions while they are playing halo or whatever. I have no problem with that! In fact part of the attraction to the site is that I am in total control, and that if I do want to have sexual conversations I can in a safe and fun environment. I mean sometimes I do anyway while I’m playing Halo, and if I can make money this way then even better. I enjoy that aspect of it. Maybe not all women do, but nobody said they had to, and nobody said that if you’re a gamer girl you hafta sign up for this site or feel comfortable using your body in this way. Also, it makes sense to rate the girls based on those various things, especially to have a successful site. Some guys want to pay to get off, and some will be wanting to meet a sweet innocent girl that doesn't want to have dirty conversations. They are paying for a service they should be able to have some way to judge what kind of person they are going to be paying to play with. So now that I’ve said all that, and in your head you may judge me for being a slut, or whatever it is that alot of the girls commenting are classifying the girls that would use this site and the guys, think about how completely hypocritical you are being and how the way your thinking is probably the same way men are classifying women, doing what people do in general to hurt others, the same way you are so adamant about preventing, except you think its ok for you to do this because your female and using it as a reason to feel this way. Lexymon I don't mean this as a personal attack, not to anyone, but its one way to think about this, and think about the way you are viewing the situation.

DigitalDutchess

4 years ago

I think I have to agree with RedBunny. Guys like games and guys like pretty girls. Period. End of story. Its freakin' genius to think of lumping them together. I am only angry that I didn't think of it.

IMHO, the problem is that you all are falling for the photo marketing that will in fact bring in their male demographic. I realize those young ladies are dressed in a less than modest manner, but it does not mean they will do anything of a sexual nature.

Also, I happen to know a TON of guys who think the concept of a serious girl gamer is sexy as hell. They aren't interested in seeing her naked. Just in the fact that she can kick some ass! Not in the middle of a round of Halo anyways. Afterward, well that's an entirely new kettle of fish. Its like when you go for a massage, and you know it will be a male masseuse, does he need to be hot? No, but it is always nice! He knows this and thus keeps up on his looks. Attractive people make better tips. That's life. Sex (or the illusion of it) sells. That doesn't make him a slut, whore, or prostitue. It makes him smart. At the end of the day he does his job, which I am paying for, and he does it well. So will be the case for girl gamers on this new site. Oh and in case everyone has forgotten, men are capable of thinking with the big head, as well as the little.

Oh, and to answer the question as to why a guy would pay for the company of a girl gamer. Why not? Let's be honest here. In the real world, women can be shallow, judgemental and annoying. They can and do make judgements based on a guy's looks. (Yea, I know. Not you. You would never, except that every woman on the planet has turned down a guy because he wasn't attractive to her, so save your lies.) Why not pay to enjoy the company of someone you find attractive who likes what you like (video games) and has no judgments or drama? That sound pretty awesome to me...bring on the female version of this site!

As for the names, playa is a term people, yes women use it to, have been using for years. And a playdate is just that people. Like when you're five and your mom finds another five year old for you to play with. Its called a playdate. Same concept, folks. Stop seeing things that just aren't there.

My point is, there will be guys who want to play with a girl who can kick his ass, just like there will be guys who hope with all hope that there is some girl who does, in fact, play games in a silver bikini. Furthermore, some of the girls who play, will dress that way. Not because they have to, but because they want to. In the same way girls go to the mall dressed sexy. They like the attention. May not make sense to all of you, but that's the magic of it all. It doesn't have to. So long as those women are happy.

As women, we are not always the victims. You also cannot fight battles that have nothing to with you. If you don't like the concept, don't work for them. Its that simple. Stop whining and worrying about what others choose to do. Go improve your gaming skills!

Lexymon

4 years ago

@ RedBunny
I don't actually disagree with what you're saying in principal, it's just that this GameCrush idea leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. Girls being sexy when they're playing games is one thing, but I just feel like this website is holding up the idea that this is all girlgamers are good for. Like a bit of light release from the "serious" gaming. But fair enough if you don't see it that way. I'm actually the only girl at my university studying game design and dev. out of a course of about 80 people, maybe this gives me a shorter fuse on this whole topic. Not that the majority of the guys aren't great, but there's a fair few who genuinely think I must be incompetent because "girls don't play games properly".

DigitalDutchess

4 years ago

@Lexymon: "Girls don't play games properly" ...Did someone honestly say that to you? What does that even mean? I guess we are all too busy fiddling with our tampons and birthing babies to understand the logistics of the game? Lol. I seriously hope you slap the crap out of any guy that has the balls to say to to you on behalf of girlgamers everywhere. Lol.

UnbrokenHope

4 years ago

Yeah, that IGN article on the website was so-so, although I thought his review of the service with the "PlayDate" who's boyfriend kept appearing on camera was hilarious.

I normally have no problem with people choosing to commoditize their sexuality. I do have a problem with this though, because it is specific to the gaming community and feeds into the already established myths about female gamers.

Girl gamers obviously exist in sizable numbers, but when someone makes a special service for you to "find" one, then says you have to incentivize that woman to play by PAYING her, they’re basically saying "no, women gamers don't really exist in your community, and the few that do are capitalizing on it." Men will start to feel manipulated and used, and I feel this will only increase the weird hostility women face on XBL. Men are clearly the more privileged gender in most societies, but many of them don't see it that way and resent women for having a source of "power" they don't possess (higher-valued sexuality), especially when women use it for financial gain. It's probably also going to lead to a bunch of guys mistaking women looking to support themselves financially by pretending to be gaming for actually female gamers who play in their downtime. The insincerity of the non-gaming women will show through, and guys who use the service will probably come to believe that all women are not sincere or "serious" about gaming.

It also says to women who are just stepping foot into gaming that women's place in gaming is not to be the mainstream consumer "Player", but the commoditized "PlayDate". I think many women will be turned off by this, and deem recreational gaming as "a guy thing" and not for them.

Gaming is extremely male dominated, but our choices on how we present gaming and gaming-culture can influence other women to join our culture and even the playing field. When we present it like this though, we take a step back from making gaming a welcoming environment for women.

…unless they really like flirting for money, wearing silver bikinis, and pretending they would do this in their spare time without the pay. In that case, mission accomplished.

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